If all the "Native Americans" were so peace-loving, as most history books would have us believe, then why do we consistently find archaeological sites like this one throughout the Americas? I mean, didn't this genocide occur long before the evil white man can over from Europe?
Well, I'm sure the evil white man caused it somehow. Let's follow that rabbit trail...
The article did say that the genocide could have been the result of a clash between different tribes that were searching for food because of a drought. But what caused the drought? As everyone knows, droughts are caused by one thing (and one thing only): global warming. But what caused the global warming? It must have been that medieval evil white man and his SUV!
See -- we found our rabbit!
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Ok, sweetheart. I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. From the perspective of history, it's never been denied that the Native American culture was a violent one. Mexico is stained with the blood of the Aztec conquests, they were an evil people - that has never been denied. So while I agree that it is overblown what the European discovery of America did to the Native Americans, I can't really tie that into this article. Just like all cultural histories, the Native Americans are marred and stained with blood from all sorts of wars... and now possibly genocide.
Instead, I would draw the conclusion from this article that it's a very good example of how man is basically corrupt in his nature. Looks like Hitler and his racial hatred and desire to wipe off the planet an entire race of people existed long before Hitler ACTUALLY existed.
I just don't see where Native Americans have always been viewed as a peace-loving culture. They haven't.
Yeah I think you are onto something Scott - Automobiles have been around long before 'American's'.
History reveals that though a kid named Henry may have come up with the assembly line, "Otto's" had been warming the planet for a long time prior!
I would like to point out that at least the Native Americans stayed on their continent and killed each other...white men leave their own countries in search of new people to enslave, conquer and/or kill. I'm kidding (sort of), but think about this...Hitler swept across Europe to kill people, English settlers came over to either convert or kill Native Americans, African slave trade, Napoleon's conquests.
When was the last time you heard about Africans rising up to destroy people on other continents? What about Mexicans...are they going for world domination? So why are you so against people thinking of Native American's as peaceful? It's not a bad thing, and frankly I'd never heard that stereotype.
The native americans were only fighting amongst themselves because nobody had the incliation to fight elsewhere. Same as the Celts. Why wage war in somewhere far far away and off the edge of the Disk, when you had other tribes nearby to have a good fight with.
Besides wars between countries are just a larger extension of the 'Tribal' warfare, the 'us' versus the 'them'.
Instead of the McArgyles versus the O'Flatulancies it's 'The Glorious Greater REpublic of Eagleland' versus 'The SultanCaliphatinate of the Most High Grand Wonderful Sandboxistan'.
People identify themselves with a country now and will go to war because their country is fightin another country. Same tribal warfare on a larger scale.
I'm definitely going to disagree with all of you about Native American culture being a violent one. Yes the Aztecs were violent, they also claim that they received their culture from outsiders who came from the sea. My particular tribe, Lakota, lived in a peaceful and respectful way. We fought violently when it meant our survival. The worst possible thing you could do was take another person's life. Had our culture been a violent one the there would have been vicious war when the first settlers arrived in North America.
In regards to the very FIRST comment on this blog, it is said that there WAS violent era in our history, a very long time ago. We came to the conclusion that this was wrong and began living a peaceful way of life. You may find evidence of genocide in a era long passed. Any question you may have feel free to email me: enigmaseven@hotmail.com
I'm going to have to suggest a few good book to all of you. Guns, Germs, and Steel. It talks about the fall and rise of societies and makes a few very good points. One that may apply to this situation. When a culture has a better means of getting to point A to point B, has a larger population, and better weaponry it is only natural that when faced with fighting, that one should dominate. It isn't that one is cruel and unusual, no quite a different story. Survival by many means is different to many societies. To the white population it became about gold and claims, because they were in a time that feeding their people and such wasn't a big deal (Hence the Age of Exploration) The whites were flourishing in their basic needs and such, and decided that it was time to spread out (Like any majoy society would do). It's as basic as it gets. Sure, they were monsters and treated the natives unfairly, but we are after all animals, no matter what we say. Our instincts may not always lead us down the right paths, but for me, no one was really to blame for the Native Americans' demise. It has been a pattern in our history, from the earliest of times you can go back and find other societies taking over others, even those that are not white. The only reason Native Americans never rose up is mostly likely due to the fact they didn't have the ships to get them far. In earlier times (Don't know where a site is to cite this but,) Vikings came to America, and there is some proof that they were able to live well with Native Americans. (Just thought I'd point out that possibility) But I would also like to point out that whites never aimed to kill Native Americans at first. Look back at the earliest settlements and you will see native americans living peacefully with english settlments. Those that did end up killing them never intended to. Simply a childish way of 'You don't listen to me, I'll make you,' Some white nations had that way of thinking while others didn't. Take the Irish, Norwegians, German, and the countries that would later come to settle in the US and South America. I don't believe they took much of a role in the down fall of Native Americans. Most tried to make a living, while there is proof that even the Irish suffered as well, forced into coal mines for small wages because citizens didn't want to. It just seems that the whites have been advanced in the areas needed, but today we are seeing a rapid decline of that. I'm not saying that it makes it right or excusing what the whites did, I'm just trying to offer up another view on it. Because being a white female these days and having studied quite a bit about different matters, I think it is wise to have an open mind about everything, because not everything a text book tells you is true.
As for the first poster, Africans never needed to rise off their continent, as mean as this sounds, they have done a fairly good job of destroying each other. Look at Rwanda and the whole case witht Hintu and Tootsies (I think those are the names) You will find in many cases large amounts of genocides all over the place. What's even worse is when a culture does it to people so close. Hitler is only notable because of the large scale, but I bet there really hasn't been another major case like that in Europe. That is only me though. Someone feel free to correct me. Just thought I'd throw that all out there for you guys. Because not every white back in those days was corrupt, and not every native american was peaceful and a good person.
"It's as basic as it gets. Sure, they were monsters and treated the natives unfairly, but we are after all animals, no matter what we say." Ok if this is the case then don't claim you live in a moral and just country. Don't claim it's a country of thinking feeling human beings, but recognize you live in a country of "animals" if that is your point of view. The thing that SEPARATES humans from animals is our ability to think critically. Don't tell me the invaders "had to" get the gold to feed their families, gold lust is an age old tradition stemming from GREED. Here's another statement for your "we are animals after all" argument: The nazi's tortured and slaughtered people by the millions, well it's because we are all animals after all. wake up
hahaha she said "Hintu and Tootsies". Evidently she is too busy studying "different matters" to google and tell us that it is Tutsi & Hutu. Fair enough.
The trouble with "peaceful" societies is that they will always be subverted or conquered by dominant, warlike societies. That's just the reality of the human condition, it just comes down to the degree of brutality that is committed. Truly peaceful societies cannot survive because the very same ethic that makes them what they are will be responsible for destroying them.
We can analyze the facts and say that Europeans caused the most devastation historically; but it was only because they had developed advanced means of committing those massacres.(Building ships, guns, cannons, etc). That doesn't mean that non-whites were any more evolved or "moral" it just meant that they had not yet developed the means to inflict that kind of damage on others. They are trying to catch up though; and Africa is a prime example of that.
Again; it is a condition of humanity, so if you dislike that condition don't become a racist, nationalist, or a cultural supremist...evolve and adopt the ethos of misanthropy.
One individual has the power of 1. A KingQueen leaders get cumulative power if more are present such as a place where 100,s of people create and maintain the power by continuing to believe in and give allegiance to it. The person in the position is not like an elk heard and is actually the strongest.
Natural positions exist where others seek leadership and will follow a natural leader.
Nations can create power and act in ways an individual can not. An individual trying to overtake someone by force against their will is a crime. Trials to determine guilt concerning individual etc are considered important to make sure if the the perpetrator deserves punishment.
A nation can designate a whole group already guilty and based on the national group power even blow up entire groups base on the collective guilt assignment and it is not considerd a crime even if innocent persons are harmed in the process.
You can not get away from being an individual like giving yourself to someone else who then lives your life for you.
Human beings for some reason do not really want to know things even if they are true as it is easier just to go along with a chosen comfortable belief.
Lynch mobs for instance reveled in the successful killing of the percieved evil even though most had or have no personal knowledge of the alleged crime.
Kinda weird. One leader who got a lot of power from having many people creating the power said "Fortunately for leaders, people do not think"
90 percent of people are just wanting to live their daily lives and have to be stirred up in order for a war or attack on others.
How can anyone ever be more than themself or add to to more than one? I guess if 10 people decide that on person is believed to be ugly, has stuff the others want or need etc that the added together power is assumed to be exempt so can be justified in doing something you could not or would not do yourself.
Considering perhaps that all things round us are a part of our larger collective body and as necessary as like a hand foot, brain etc might work better. If your hand has a problwm would killing it or just trying to get rid of it help any?
To anonymous: European/White being the most bloody??!! Research Sunnis vs Shiites,Africans selling Africans into slavery, class war, servitude, wag gap, oppression to women, child marriage, bloody Aztecs for more accurate, thorough info. I don't think most ancestors fleeing the British were "seeking out other peoples to kill," They were looking for freedom. Most tried to integrate & settle on open areas peacefully. Some were welcomed & some were not. Then, all hell broke loose-Horrible what ended up happening, but look at what is going on today among every continent including America. Hate comes in all colors...
Sorry Will but the desire to make bigger weapons and conquer others is basically the definition of immoral. To say that Europeans did what they did just because they could, is downright stupidity at its finest. They did it because they were greedy, and the weapons were the physical backing to their demands. You may argue that if the opposing ethnicity had the means to retaliate they would, but who wouldn't defend themselves...fact of the matter is they were DEFENDING not attacking, showing a slightly different moral standpoint. Being moral is choosing the righteous way of action, and considering they weren't righteous...kind of points you towards the fact they were immoral...they weren't testing their new guns out buddy, keep critically thinking and you'll find peace was stolen with the mentality you possess.
Oh no no no! Only da ebil whitey is responsible for ANYTHING wrong! Never mind the Spainards enslaving, torturing, and raping the natives, it's ok because somehow they were only doing it because of the WHITE MAN! And never mind the multiple genocide sites found among natives, it's only bad when the WHITE MAN kills. It's okay in the history books to talk about empires conquering others and becoming successful, but when the WHITE MAN does it, it's eeeeebbbbbiiiiillllll!!! Damn you whitey!
American indians killed each other a lot. Africans and arabs are still killing each other by the millions to this very day. If you will kill people that look and (mostly) act like you then you will kill others too. The ONLY reason blacks didn't March across the globe or American indians is because they didn't have the technology that whites had to do so. That is THE ONLY reason. They were and still are every bit as barbaric.
American indians killed each other a lot. Africans and arabs are still killing each other by the millions to this very day. If you will kill people that look and (mostly) act like you then you will kill others too. The ONLY reason blacks didn't March across the globe or American indians is because they didn't have the technology that whites had to do so. That is THE ONLY reason. They were and still are every bit as barbaric.
But where did the "Natives" come from? Are you telling me the Heaven and Earth were created, light was called Day Dark was called Night. God created man and WHA BAM NATIVE INDIANS WERE IN NORTH AMERICA?? They didnt migrate from somewhere else JUST LIKE THE EVIL WHITE MAN????
But where did the "Natives" come from? Are you telling me the Heaven and Earth were created, light was called Day Dark was called Night. God created man and WHA BAM NATIVE INDIANS WERE IN NORTH AMERICA?? They didnt migrate from somewhere else JUST LIKE THE EVIL WHITE MAN????
Apaches wiped out the Hopi. They said that of each other.http://www.archaeology.org/issues/250-1703/trenches/5293-trenches-arizona-hopi-montezuma-castle
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